Please note that this does not necessarily reflect the last five Shooting Guards inducted but rather the previous five peak runs of that particular player. Also, we are going with what each player predominantly played. For some positions, we see very different players who bring unique skill sets, and at Shooting Guard, we often see them also play at the Point.
The five Shooting Guards we are using as the baseline are:
Vince Carter. Class of 2024 & Peak Period 1999-2000 to 2005-06: Carter also played a large part of his career at Small Forward (including his Peak Period) and, late in his career, was also used as a Power Forward.
Dwyane Wade. Class of 2023 & Peak Period 2004-05 to 2010-11: Wade occasionally played at Point Guard.
Manu Ginobili. Class of 2012 & Peak Period 2004-05 to 2010-11: Ginobili is a worthy Hall of Fame inductee, but his overall metrics are considerably lower than the other Shooting Guards on the bar.
Kobe Bryant. Class of 2020 & Peak Period 2005-06 to 2011-12: An occasional Small Forward, Bryant’s greatness and longevity jack up the Modern Positional Averages at this position.
Ray Allen. Class of 2018 & Peak Period 2002-03 to 2008-09: Allen was a pure Shooting Guard, and though he only retired in 2014, he will be the first one taken off once the next SG is indicted.
Peak Period is the best seven consecutive seasons by a player.*All-NBA have weighted points. 3 for the First Team, 2 for the Second Team, and 1 for the Third Team.
MVP and Defensive Player of the Year have weighted points. 10 for 1st Place, 9 for 2nd Place, 8 for 3rd Place, 7 for 4th Place, 6 for 5th Place, 5 for 6th Place, 4 for 7th Place, 3 for 8th Place, 2 for 9th Place and 1 for 10th Place.
All-Defensive have weighted points. 2 for the First Team, 1 for the Second Team.
It is NBA All-Star Game weekend, and those who are into Halls of Fame know exactly what that means!
The Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame announced today the Finalists for the Class of 2022.
The Finalists are:
Leta Andrews: Andrews is one of the most successful basketball high school coaches of all-time, coaching from 1962 to 2014 with a lifetime record of 1,416-355. She is already a member of the Women’s Basketball Hall of Fame, and has been a Finalist three times before.
Swin Cash: Cash was a two-time NCAA Champion at Connecticut and a three-time WNBA Champion, two with Detroit and one with Seattle. Cash was also a four-time All-Star. WNBA 20th and 25th Anniversary Team Selection, and is also a two-time Olympic Gold Medalist with America. Cash is a member of the Women’s Basketball Hall of Fame.
Michael Cooper: Playing all of his 13 seasons with the Los Angeles Lakers, Cooper helped L.A. win five NBA Titles, while earning five NBA All-Defensive Selections and the 1987 Defensive Player of the Year.
Hugh Evans: Evans was an NBA referee from 1972 to 2001 and he officiated in 35 NBA Finals Games.
Manu Ginobili: Playing his entire pro career with the San Antonio Spurs, Ginobili helped take the team to four NBA Championships, while individually going to two All-Star Games. Internationally, Ginobili led Argentina to Olympic Gold in 2004, Olympic Bronze in 2008, and he also took his country to Silver at the 2002 FIBA World Cup. He has an excellent shot of entering as a first ballot inductee.
Tim Hardaway: Hardaway was a former WAC Player of the Year at UTEP, and professionally was a five-time All-Star known for his time in Golden State and Miami. A five-time All-NBA player, Hardaway also won Gold for the United States at the 2000 Olympics.
Bob Huggins: Huggins took Cincinnati to the Final Four in 1992, and West Virginia in 2010. Still coaching the Mountaineers today, Huggins presently has a career record of 913-393.
Marques Johnson: Johnson won the NCAA Title at UCLA in 1975 and was named the National College Player of the Year in 1977. Professionally, he had his best seasons with Milwaukee, where he went to four All-Star Games, and was twice a Second Team All-NBA player. Johnson also played for the Clippers, where he went to his fifth All-Star Game.
George Karl: Karl is one of nine NBA Coaches wo have won 1,000 Games with a Coach of the Year Award (2013 with Denver). He also was the Head Coach for Seattle, Milwaukee and Sacramento with a lifetime record of 1,175-824.
Marianne Stanley: Stanley coached Old Dominion to a National Championship in 1985, and she also coached Penn, USC, Stanford and California. In the WNBA, she was named the WNBA Coach of the Year in 2002 with Washington, and she is currently the Head Coach of the Indiana Fever. Stanley is a member of the Women’s Basketball Hall of Fame.
Lindsay Whalen: Whalen was one of the best women’s player in Golden Gopher history, and she went on to have a stellar WNBA career, winning four titles with the Minnesota Lynx, earning three First Team All-Star selections and five trips to the WNBA All-Star Games. She was also named to the WNBA 20th and 25th Anniversary Team and internationally she won two Olympic Gold Medals with the United States (2012 & 2016).
Also announced was the following:
Reggie Minton won the John Bunn Lifetime Achievement Award.
Dick Ebersol won he Curt Gowdy Transformative Media Award
Mechelle Voepel won the Curt Gowdy Media Award.
Walt Frazier won the Curt Gowdy Electronic Media Award.
We here at Notinhalloffame.com would like to congratulate the four new Award winners and this year’s Finalists.
Revising lists never stops at Notinhalloffame.com.
A couple of months ago, The Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame announced the newest members of their institution. In terms of our list, it was a record five chosen from the top ten, and it created a seismic shift on our countdown.
Whenever we revamp our list, the first thing we do is take out those who were enshrined. Chosen for Springfield, were our top four ranked former players, Paul Pierce (#1), Chris Bosh (#2), Chris Webber (#3) and Ben Wallace (#4). Bob Dandridge, who was ranked at #10, also was elected.
The second thing we do, is add those who are now eligible, but unlike previous years, there are not multiple top players who appear to be locks for the Hall.
The third and final thing we look at is your votes and comments on each eligible player. Those help determine rises or falls of those on the list.
Let’s see our new top ten, which again, is colossally different from last year. Based on who we have available in 2022, we are having a hard time trying to predict who will be named to the next class.
We have to way back in hoops history for our new number one, Max Zaslofsky, who was an All-NBA (All-BAA) First Team Selection in the first four years of the BAA/NBA’s existence. While playing for the Chicago Stags, Zaslofsky won the 1947/48 Scoring Title, and at the time of his retirement in 1956, he was third all-time in scoring. He is also a member of the NBA 25th Anniversary Team, and was ranked at #6 last year.
Coming at #2 is Tim Hardaway, who moves up from #8 and was a Finalist last year. Known mostly for his run with Chris Mullin and Mitch Richmond as “RUN-TMC” at Golden State, Hardaway was a five-time NBA All-Star and five-time All-NBA Selection. His candidacy is plagued by his past homophobic remarks, though he has since atoned for that.
Our highest debut is Manu Ginobili at #3, who is arguably the greatest basketball player in Argentine history. A two-time All-Star and four-time NBA Champion with the San Antonio Spurs, Ginobili led his nation to Gold in the 2004 Olympics.
Chauncey Billups rocketed from #11 to #4. Billups led Detroit to the NBA Championship in 2004, where he was named the Finals MVP. He was also a five-time All-Star.
At #5 is former Seattle SuperSonic, Shawn Kemp, who holds the same rank as last year. Kemp was a six-time NBA All-Star.
Six-time All-Star and former Atlanta Hawk, Lou Hudson, climbed from #9 to #6.
Buck Williams jumped to #12 from #7. Williams was a three-time All-Star and was the 1982 Rookie of the Year.
Two-time NBA Champion with Detroit, Mark Aguire, dropped from #7 to #8.
Larry Foust went up from #15 to #9, and he was an eight-time All-Star who played in the 1950s.
Maurice Lucas went up three spots to #10. He was a four-time NBA All-Star and one-time ABA All-Star.
There are four other additions:
Joe Johnson, who was a seven-time All-Star makes a strong debut at #13.
Former Memphis Grizzlies big man, Zach Randolph, enters at #89.
The other two new names are David West and Richard Jefferson at #115 respectively. Jefferson’s ranking is currently where our list ends.
The entire list can be found here.
Eventually, we plan to expand our list to 150. At a later time, we may create a separate list for women, but at present there is no plan to do so.
You know what we want you to do!
Take a look for yourself, and cast your votes and offer your opinion.
As always, we thank you for your support.
Regular visitors to Notinhalloffame.com know that we are slowly working on the top 50 players ever of every MLB, NHL, NFL and NBA team. Once that is done, our plan is to then look at how they honor their past players and executives by way of retired numbers, franchise halls of fame etc. As such, it is important to us that last night the San Antonio Spurs retired the #20 of Manu Ginobili.
In what now has to be considered an absolute steal, San Antonio drafted the native of Argentina 57thoverall in 1999 and he would join the team in 2002 after starring in Europe. Ginobili would play his entire career with the San Antonio Spurs which would span 16 seasons and 1,057 Games. He would be chosen for the All Star Game twice (2005 & 2011) and was an All-NBA Third Team Selection twice (2008 & 2011). The Argentine star’s selfless and unique style of play meshed perfectly with San Antonio where he was part of an elite triumvirate with Tim Duncan and Tony Parker where they would the team to four NBA Championships (2003, 2005, 2007 & 2014). The Shooting Guard would be named the Sixth Man of the Year in 2008 and scored 14,043 Points with a career PER of 20.2.
Ginobili joins Johnny Moore (#00), Avery Johnson (#6), Bruce Bowen (#12), James Silas (#13), Tim Duncan (#21), Sean Elliott (#32), George Gervin (#44) and David Robinson (#50).
We here at Notinhalloffame.com would like to congratulate Manu Ginobili for earning this prestigious honor.
Manu Ginobili announced today via his Twitter that at the age of 41 he is ending his career in the National Basketball Association. As you would expect, he did so in a humble and simple way:
“Today, with a wide range of feelings, I’m announcing my retirement from basketball. It’s been a fabulous journey. Way beyond my wildest dreams”
From Argentina, Ginobili began his career playing in the Argentinian League and at age 20 would move to Europe to play for Viola Reggio Calabria in the Italian 2nd Division, where his efforts were good enough to get the team promoted to the 1st Division. He caught the attention of NBA Scouts and he was drafted by the San Antonio Spurs and he would be drafted in the 2nd Round, 57th Overall in 1999. The Argentine would not sign with the Spurs but would continue to play in Italy where he signed with Virtus Bologna where he played for two seasons. Ginobili would help Bologna win the EuroLeague in 2001 and was named the Finals MVP. He truly had his coming out party in 2002, where in Indianapolis he helped Argentina win the Silver Medal in 2002 and he was named to the All-Tournament Team. He was then ready for the NBA.
It took awhile for Ginobili to really find his groove in the Association but once he did he proved how much of a steal he was in the draft. Ginobili’s rookie season in the regular season was not headturning but his playoffs were as his minutes increased and he helped San Antonio win the Championship. His play gradually improved and in the 2004-05 season he was named a reserve in the All Star Game and now as a bona fide starter he had a much larger role in helping San Antonio win another title. This would cap a spectacular twelve month period as Ginobili led Argentina to a surprise win at the 2004 Olympics.
Ginobili would become part of San Antonio’s “Big Three” along with Tony Parker and Tim Duncan and while injuries began to pile up, Ginobili was still very effective posting good traditional numbers and even better advanced metrics. From the 2004-05 Season to the 2011-12 Season, the Shooting Guard never had a PER under 20 and had a 16.5 PPG. He would go to his second All Star Game in 2011, while also winning another NBA Title (2007) and a Bronze Medal in the 2008 Olympic Games. He was also named an NBA Third Team NBA All Star twice (2008 & 2011)
Following this stretch, Ginobili, who previously was used both as a starter and reserve, was relegated to a bench role permanently, but his selfless attitude and still effective shot still made him valuable to the Spurs, which was shown as he helped them win the championship again in 2014.
Ginobili leaves behind a legacy as a clutch performer, an incredible teammate and consummate winner. He is one of only two players to with the EuroLeague, the Olympics and an NBA Championship, and his overall body of work should be enough to land him into the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame.
We here at Notinhalloffame.com would like to thank Manu Ginobili for the great memories on the court and we wish him the best in his post-playing career.