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Shooting Guards

Based on Vince Carter, Dwyane Wade, Manu Ginobili, Kobe Bryant and Ray Allen.

Please note that this does not necessarily reflect the last five Shooting Guards inducted but rather the previous five peak runs of that particular player.  Also, we are going with what each player predominantly played.  For some positions, we see very different players who bring unique skill sets, and at Shooting Guard, we often see them also play at the Point.

The five Shooting Guards we are using as the baseline are:

Vince Carter.  Class of 2024 & Peak Period 1999-2000 to 2005-06:  Carter also played a large part of his career at Small Forward (including his Peak Period) and, late in his career, was also used as a Power Forward.

Dwyane Wade.  Class of 2023 & Peak Period 2004-05 to 2010-11:  Wade occasionally played at Point Guard.

Manu Ginobili.  Class of 2012 & Peak Period 2004-05 to 2010-11:  Ginobili is a worthy Hall of Fame inductee, but his overall metrics are considerably lower than the other Shooting Guards on the bar.

Kobe Bryant.  Class of 2020 & Peak Period 2005-06 to 2011-12:  An occasional Small Forward, Bryant’s greatness and longevity jack up the Modern Positional Averages at this position.

Ray Allen.  Class of 2018 & Peak Period 2002-03 to 2008-09: Allen was a pure Shooting Guard, and though he only retired in 2014, he will be the first one taken off once the next SG is indicted.

Peak Period is the best seven consecutive seasons by a player.*All-NBA have weighted points.  3 for the First Team, 2 for the Second Team, and 1 for the Third Team.

MVP and Defensive Player of the Year have weighted points.  10 for 1st Place, 9 for 2nd Place, 8 for 3rd Place, 7 for 4th Place, 6 for 5th Place, 5 for 6th Place, 4 for 7th Place, 3 for 8th Place, 2 for 9th Place and 1 for 10th Place.

All-Defensive have weighted points.  2 for the First Team, 1 for the Second Team.


Stats

  • Games Played 1259.8
  • All-NBA 12
  • All-Star Selections 10
  • MVP 23.6
  • All-Defensive 5
  • DPOY 7.4
  • PPG 19.2
  • Peak PPG 23.8
  • Points 24217
  • Points Peak 11900
  • RPG 4.5
  • Peak RPG 5.0
  • Rebounds 5511
  • Rebounds Peak 2446
  • APG 4.2
  • Peak APG 4.7
  • Assists 4624
  • Assists Peak 2736.8
  • SPG 1.3
  • Peak SPG 1.5
  • Steals 1551.4
  • Steals Peak 732.2
  • BPG 0.5
  • Peak BPG 0.6
  • Blocks 595
  • Blocks Peak 278.8
  • Playoff Games 170.8
  • PER 20.8
  • Peak PER 23.3
  • Win Shares 128.6
  • Peak Win Shares 69.7
  • VORP 61.2
  • Peak VORP 35
  • Conference Titles 4.2
  • NBA Titles 2.8

Pre-2019-20 Rank #4, Pre-2020-21 Rank: #3, Pre-2021-22 Rank: #4, Pre-2022-23 Rank: #4, Pre-2023-24 Rank: #7.

*Positional Note:  Harden plays more at Point Guard these days, but at his peak, he was more of a Shooting Guard.

*Peak Period: 2013-14 to 2019-20.

Hmmm…

James Harden has a very intriguing Hall of Fame case, though based on the bar that Springfield had set, you could argue that he has already met the requirements.

“The Beard” is a former NBA MVP and a three-time scoring champion, but he never won an NBA Title. His best years were in Houston, but he could not lead them to the Finals while he was a Rocket.  Willing his way out of Texas, he went to Brooklyn, but his reunion with Kevin Durant in Brooklyn netted nothing for either party.  Harden then joined Philadelphia, but it was the same result, as it was another super team that could not make the Finals.

Harden is currently with the Los Angeles Clippers, and with all due respect to the star, his best years are behind him.  We have seen his body of work, which is explosive scoring and lackadaisical defense, but he is a player who should quickly enter the Hall.  Harden would love to do it as an NBA Champion, but it won’t happen as a Clipper, and this won’t be his last NBA team.

 

Stats

  • Games Played 1072 (-187.8)
  • All-NBA 19 (+7)
  • All-Star Selections 10
  • MVP 56 (+32.4)
  • All-Defensive 0 (-5)
  • DPOY 0 (-7.4)
  • PPG 24.1 (+4.9)
  • Peak PPG 30.2 (+6.4)
  • Points 25,885 (-24192)
  • Points Peak 16,144 (-11884)
  • RPG 5.6 (+1.1)
  • Peak RPG 6.2 (+1.2)
  • Rebounds 6017 (+506)
  • Rebounds Peak 3316 (+870)
  • APG 7.1 (+2.9)
  • Peak APG 8.0 (+3.3)
  • Assists 7629 (+3005)
  • Assists Peak 4258 (+1521.2)
  • SPG 1.5 (+0.2)
  • Peak SPG 1.8 (+0.3)
  • Steals 1597 (+45.6)
  • Steals Peak 938 (+205.8)
  • BPG 0.6 (+0.1)
  • Peak BPG 0.6
  • Blocks 600 (+5)
  • Blocks Peak 346 (+67.2)
  • Playoff Games 166 (-4.8)
  • PER 24.0 (+3.2)
  • Peak PER 27.1 (+3.8)
  • Win Shares 166.4 (+37.8)
  • Peak Win Shares 101.2 (+31.5)
  • VORP 79.8 (+18.6)
  • Peak VORP 52.5 (+17.5)
  • Conference Titles 1 (-3.2)
  • NBA Titles 0 (-2.8)
  • Additional Notes
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    Harden also has won 1 Olympic Gold, 1 FIBA World Gold for the United States, and was a First Team All-American and Pac-10 Player of the Year at Arizona State

Pre-2020-21 Rank: #28, Pre-2021-22 Rank: #29, Pre-2022-23 Rank #24, Pre-2023-24 Rank: #21.

*Positional Notes: DeRozan has played more at Forward in the last few years, but his peak was a Shooting Guard, so we are listing him at SG, though this could change next year.

*Peak Period: 2015-16 to 2021-22.

When DeMar DeRozan was traded from Toronto to San Antonio for Kawhi Leonard, many Raptors fans were upset, but Kawhi brought Jurassic Park a Title, and DeRozan’s past accomplishments in Toronto seemed so much smaller.  Fast-forward to his three seasons in Chicago, DeRozan re-established himself as a prime scoring threat and added two more All-Stars (he has six overall), which is the best scoring three-year period of his career.

DeRozan is now with Sacramento, a team on the rise. If the Kings make the Finals with DeRozan playing a large part in that success, would it be enough to put him over?

Stats

  • Games Played 1100 (-159.8)
  • All-NBA 5 (-7)
  • All-Star Selections 6 (-4)
  • MVP 4 (-19.6)
  • All-Defensive 0 (-5)
  • DPOY 0 (-7.4)
  • PPG 21.2 (+2)
  • Peak PPG 23.9 (+0.099999999999998)
  • Points 23582 (-635)
  • Points Peak 12263 (+363)
  • RPG 4.4 (-0.1)
  • Peak RPG 4.9 (-0.1)
  • Rebounds 4910 (-601)
  • Rebounds Peak 2538 (+92)
  • APG 4.1 (-0.1)
  • Peak APG 5.2 (+0.5)
  • Assists 4527 (-97)
  • Assists Peak 2673 (-63.8)
  • SPG 1.0 (-0.3)
  • Peak SPG 1.0 (-0.5)
  • Steals 1108 (-443.4)
  • Steals Peak 524 (-208.2)
  • BPG 0.3 (-0.2)
  • Peak BPG 0.3 (-0.3)
  • Blocks 361 (-234)
  • Blocks Peak 151 (-127.8)
  • Playoff Games 63 (-107.8)
  • PER 19.0 (-1.8)
  • Peak PER 21.8 (-1.5)
  • Win Shares 101.4 (-27.2)
  • Peak Win Shares 58.2 (-11.5)
  • VORP 28.1 (-33.1)
  • Peak VORP 19.9 (-15.1)
  • Conference Titles 0 (-4.2)
  • NBA Titles 0 (-2.8)
  • Additional Notes
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    DeRozan played at USC in college where his number was retired. He also won Gold Medals for The United States. at the 2016 Olympics and the 2014 World Cup.

Pre-2019-20 Rank: #22, Pre-2020-21 Rank: #23, Pre-2021-22 Rank: #24, Pre-2022-23 Rank: #19, Pre-2023-24 Rank: #17

*Positional Notes:  Thompson is playing more at Small Forward these days, but his peak was in his role as a Shooting Guard.

*Peak Period:  From 2014-15 to 2022-23.  Note that Thompson missed the 2019-20 and 2020-21 Seasons, so this nine-year period is seven full seasons.

The elite period of Klay Thompson is over, but his narrative might be in the greatest state of flux.  Thompson was one-half of the Splash Brothers, but it was always known that his partner, Steph Curry, was the straw that stirred the drink.   A five-time All-Star, Thompson was a key part of Golden State’s last four NBA Titles, but at no time was he the top dog, and at times, not even the number two canine.

This year, Thompson joins Dallas, which is fresh off its Finals appearance.  If they win the NBA Championship in 2025, it will be a fun argument as to who it helps the most: Kyrie Irving or Klay Thompson.   

Stats

  • Games Played 793 (-466.8)
  • All-NBA 2 (-10)
  • All-Star Selections 5 (-5)
  • MVP 1 (-22.6)
  • All-Defensive 1 (-4)
  • DPOY 0 (-7.4)
  • PPG 19.6 (+0.4)
  • Peak PPG 21.5 (-2.3)
  • Points 15531 (-8686)
  • Points Peak 10483 (-1417)
  • RPG 3.5 (-1)
  • Peak RPG 3.7 (-1.3)
  • Rebounds 2795 (-2716)
  • Rebounds Peak 1825 (-621)
  • APG 2.3 (-1.9)
  • Peak APG 2.4 (-2.3)
  • Assists 1843 (-2781)
  • Assists Peak 1170 (-1566.8)
  • SPG 0.9 (-0.4)
  • Peak SPG 0.9 (-0.6)
  • Steals 676 (-875.4)
  • Steals Peak 417 (-315.2)
  • BPG 0.5
  • Peak BPG 0.6
  • Blocks 413 (-182)
  • Blocks Peak 276 (-2.8)
  • Playoff Games 158 (-12.8)
  • PER 16.0 (-4.8)
  • Peak PER 17.4 (-5.9)
  • Win Shares 55.2 (-73.4)
  • Peak Win Shares 39.0 (-30.7)
  • VORP 16.8 (-44.4)
  • Peak VORP 12.3 (-22.7)
  • Conference Titles 6 (+1.8)
  • NBA Titles 4 (+1.2)
  • Additional Notes
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    Thompson played for Washington State and was a two-time All-Pac-10 Selection. Representing the United States, he was a Gold Medalist in both the Olympics and World Cup

Pre-2022-23 Rank: #44, Pre-2023-24 Rank: #32.

Peak Period: From 2017-18 to 2023-24.  Mitchell has completed only seven seasons, the maximum of a Peak Period.

Unlike DeShaun Watson, Cleveland agrees with Donovan Mitchell.

Mitchell was a three-time All-Star at Utah, but the pairing between himself and Center Rudy Gobert was not working, and bluntly, they did not get along.  The Guard was traded to the Cavaliers, where in his first season, he was sixth in MVP voting and was an All-NBA Selection.

Going into this campaign, the Cavs are on the rise, and Mitchell’s best basketball could still be ahead of him.

Stats

  • Games Played 468 (-791.8)
  • All-NBA 2 (-10)
  • All-Star Selections 5 (-5)
  • MVP 5 (-18.6)
  • All-Defensive 0 (-5)
  • DPOY 0 (-7.4)
  • PPG 24.8 (+5.6)
  • Peak PPG 24.8 (+1)
  • Points 11619 (-12598)
  • Points Peak 11619 (-281)
  • RPG 4.3 (-0.2)
  • Peak RPG 4.3 (-0.7)
  • Rebounds 2002 (-3509)
  • Rebounds Peak 2002 (-444)
  • APG 4.6 (+0.4)
  • Peak APG 4.6 (-0.1)
  • Assists 2176 (-2448)
  • Assists Peak 2176 (-560.8)
  • SPG 1.4 (+0.1)
  • Peak SPG 1.4 (-0.1)
  • Steals 645 (-906.4)
  • Steals Peak 645 (-87.2)
  • BPG 0.3 (-0.2)
  • Peak BPG 0.3 (-0.3)
  • Blocks 156 (-439)
  • Blocks Peak 156 (-122.8)
  • Playoff Games 54 (-116.8)
  • PER 19.9 (-0.9)
  • Peak PER 19.9 (-3.4)
  • Win Shares 44.4 (-84.2)
  • Peak Win Shares 44.4 (-25.3)
  • VORP 44.0 (-17.2)
  • Peak VORP 44.0 (+9)
  • Conference Titles 0 (-4.2)
  • NBA Titles 0 (-2.8)
  • Additional Notes
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    Mitchell was a First Team All-ACC player at Louisville.

Pre-2022-23 Rank: #38, Pre-2023-24 Rank: #32.

*Positional Notes:  Booker played more at Point Guard last year.

*Peak Period: From to 2017-18 to 2023-24.  Booker should remain in his peak period after this upcoming season.

Booker had the highest debut in the pre-2022-23 ranking, and the flashy Guard led the Suns to a 2021 NBA Final.  An All-Star four of the last five seasons, Booker added his second All-NBA Selection last year (Third Team), but the Suns have not gelled with the addition of Kevin Durant and Bradley Beal.  Phoenix enters the year as a team searching for an identity, and if Booker reclaims that for the Suns, he will see another jump on the list. 

Stats

  • Games Played 598 (-661.8)
  • All-NBA 4 (-8)
  • All-Star Selections 4 (-6)
  • MVP 7 (-16.6)
  • All-Defensive 0 (-5)
  • DPOY 0 (-7.4)
  • PPG 24.3 (+5.1)
  • Peak PPG 26.5 (+2.7)
  • Points 14529 (-9688)
  • Points Peak 11755 (-145)
  • RPG 4.0 (-0.5)
  • Peak RPG 4.5 (-0.5)
  • Rebounds 2413 (-3098)
  • Rebounds Peak 1977 (-469)
  • APG 5.0 (+0.8)
  • Peak APG 5.7 (+1)
  • Assists 2993 (-1631)
  • Assists Peak 2525 (-211.8)
  • SPG 0.9 (-0.4)
  • Peak SPG 0.9 (-0.6)
  • Steals 510 (-1041.4)
  • Steals Peak 394 (-338.2)
  • BPG 0.3 (-0.2)
  • Peak BPG 0.3 (-0.3)
  • Blocks 174 (-421)
  • Blocks Peak 133 (-145.8)
  • Playoff Games 47 (-123.8)
  • PER 18.8 (-2)
  • Peak PER 20.5 (-2.8)
  • Win Shares 45.1 (-83.5)
  • Peak Win Shares 41.1 (-28.6)
  • VORP 16.6 (-44.6)
  • Peak VORP 16.3 (-18.7)
  • Conference Titles 1 (-3.2)
  • NBA Titles 0 (-2.8)
  • Additional Notes
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    Booker played his college ball at Kentucky where he was a Second Team All-SEC player and won a Gold Medal for the United States at the 2021 Olympics.

Pre-2019-20 Season: #44, Pre-2020-21 Season: #41, Pre-2021-22 Rank: #37, Pre-2022-23 Rank: #37, Pre-2023-24 Rank: #33

Peak Period: 2016-17 to 2022-23

Beal completed 11 seasons in Washington, where he almost won a scoring title, had two 30-plus PPG years, and went to three All-Star Games, but the Wizards were a low-profile team, and Beal was never in that top-tier or even considered a must-watch player.  That was expected to change as he joined Phoenix in 2023 as the final piece to the championship puzzle, but Beal and the Suns slumped, and the Guard had his worst year to date.

The Hall of Fame dream is likely over if he cannot rebound this season.

Stats

  • Games Played 748 (-511.8)
  • All-NBA 1 (-11)
  • All-Star Selections 3 (-7)
  • MVP 0 (-23.6)
  • All-Defensive 0 (-5)
  • DPOY 0 (-7.4)
  • PPG 22.1 (+2.9)
  • Peak PPG 25.5 (+1.7)
  • Points 16355 (-7862)
  • Points Peak 11442 (-458)
  • RPG 4.1 (-0.4)
  • Peak RPG 4.3 (-0.7)
  • Rebounds 3096 (-2415)
  • Rebounds Peak 1926 (-520)
  • APG 4.3 (+0.1)
  • Peak APG 5.0 (+0.3)
  • Assists 3237 (-1387)
  • Assists Peak 2236 (-500.8)
  • SPG 1.1 (-0.2)
  • Peak SPG 1.2 (-0.3)
  • Steals 824 (-727.4)
  • Steals Peak 521 (-211.2)
  • BPG 0.4 (-0.1)
  • Peak BPG 0.5 (-0.1)
  • Blocks 311 (-284)
  • Blocks Peak 206 (-72.8)
  • Playoff Games 49 (-121.8)
  • PER 18.2 (-2.6)
  • Peak PER 20.4 (-2.9)
  • Win Shares 56.1 (-72.5)
  • Peak Win Shares 38.8 (-30.9)
  • VORP 23.6 (-37.6)
  • Peak VORP 18.5 (-16.5)
  • Conference Titles 0 (-4.2)
  • NBA Titles 0 (-2.8)
  • Additional Notes
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    Beal played one year at the University of Florida and was a First Team All-SEC Selection

Pre-2023-24 Rank #49.

Positional Notes:  LaVIne has also played at Small Forward and Point Guard.

Peak Period: From 2017-18 to 2023-24.  LaVine is still in his Peak Period.

Zach LaVine has done well with the Chicago Bulls thus far, appearing in two All-Star Games and posting five consecutive 23-plus PPG years, but the Bulls have not done much with him there.  Last year, he was injured for a good part of it, and as he approaches 30, he is running out of time to alter the narrative.

Stats

  • Games Played 302 (-957.8)
  • All-NBA 2 (-10)
  • All-Star Selections 2 (-8)
  • MVP 4 (-19.6)
  • All-Defensive 0 (-5)
  • DPOY 0 (-7.4)
  • PPG 22.9 (+3.7)
  • Peak PPG 22.9 (-0.9)
  • Points 6920 (-17297)
  • Points Peak 6920 (-4980)
  • RPG 5.2 (+0.7)
  • Peak RPG 5.2 (+0.2)
  • Rebounds 1567 (-3944)
  • Rebounds Peak 1567 (-879)
  • APG 4.1 (-0.1)
  • Peak APG 4.1 (-0.6)
  • Assists 1241 (-3383)
  • Assists Peak 1241 (-1495.8)
  • SPG 1.4 (+0.1)
  • Peak SPG 1.4 (-0.1)
  • Steals 413 (-1138.4)
  • Steals Peak 413 (-319.2)
  • BPG 0.6 (+0.1)
  • Peak BPG 0.6
  • Blocks 182 (-413)
  • Blocks Peak 182 (-96.8)
  • Playoff Games 27 (-143.8)
  • PER 17.0 (-3.8)
  • Peak PER 17.0 (-6.3)
  • Win Shares 16.5 (-112.1)
  • Peak Win Shares 16.5 (-53.2)
  • VORP 7.7 (-53.5)
  • Peak VORP 7.7 (-27.3)
  • Conference Titles 0 (-4.2)
  • NBA Titles 0 (-2.8)
  • Additional Notes
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    LaVIne played one year at UCLA where he was a member of the PAC-!2 All-Freshman Team.

Peak Period: From 2020-21 to 2023-24.  Edwards has only played four seasons, and is obviously in his Peak Period.

Here is what the 2023-24 Minnesota Timberwolves have taught us.   It is Anthony Edwards team now.

Edwards, who was the 2021 runner-up for the Rookie of the Year, has been an All-Star the last two seasons, but last year, he exploded with a seventh-place MVP finish, a Second Team All-NBA Selection and a Western Conference Final appearance.  With Karl-Anthony Towns now in New York, it is up to Edwards to lead the Timberwolves to the promised land.  This opportunity could propel Edwards to the Hall of Fame.

Stats

  • Games Played 302 (-957.8)
  • All-NBA 2 (-10)
  • All-Star Selections 2 (-8)
  • MVP 4 (-19.6)
  • All-Defensive 0 (-5)
  • DPOY 0 (-7.4)
  • PPG 22.9 (+3.7)
  • Peak PPG 22.9 (-0.9)
  • Points 6920 (-17297)
  • Points Peak 6920 (-4980)
  • RPG 5.2 (+0.7)
  • Peak RPG 5.2 (+0.2)
  • Rebounds 1567 (-3944)
  • Rebounds Peak 1567 (-879)
  • APG 4.1 (-0.1)
  • Peak APG 4.1 (-0.6)
  • Assists 1241 (-3383)
  • Assists Peak 1241 (-1495.8)
  • SPG 1.4 (+0.1)
  • Peak SPG 1.4 (-0.1)
  • Steals 413 (-1138.4)
  • Steals Peak 413 (-319.2)
  • BPG 0.6 (+0.1)
  • Peak BPG 0.6
  • Blocks 182 (-413)
  • Blocks Peak 182 (-96.8)
  • Playoff Games 27 (-143.8)
  • PER 17.0 (-3.8)
  • Peak PER 17.0 (-6.3)
  • Win Shares 16.5 (-112.1)
  • Peak Win Shares 16.5 (-53.2)
  • VORP 7.7 (-53.5)
  • Peak VORP 7.7 (-27.3)
  • Conference Titles 0 (-4.2)
  • NBA Titles 0 (-2.8)
  • Additional Notes
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    Edwards won a Gold Medal for the United States at the 2024 Olympics and played one year at Georgia where he was the SEC Rookie of the Year.