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The more we add sections, the more we have to constantly update them.
As such our Hockey Futures TBD have added some new entries.

For those unaware, the Hockey section is the only team sport where we have a TBD (to be determined) section.  This is due to the Hockey Hall of Fame having only a three year period after a player has retired before he becomes eligible for the Hockey Hall of Fame.  This is why we look at players over 35 who are currently active in professional hockey and place them in a potential vote.

Here are the new players who we have now included in this section:

Alexandre Burrows: A capable defensive minded forward who has done very well for the Vancouver Canucks.

Dainus Zubrus: A longtime player who played for many NHL teams and the Russian National Team.

John-Michael Liles:  A member of the United States World Cup and Olympic Team.  

Kevin Bieksa: A rugged two way defenseman who plays currently for Anaheim.

Marc-Andre Bergeron:  A stay-at-home defenseman who has played for seven NHL teams.

Marek Zidlicki: A three time Olympian for the Czech Republic.

Matt Cullen: A two time Stanley Cup Champion.

Mike Fisher: A gritty Center who played in the 2015 All Star Game.

Patrick Sharp: A three time Stanley Cup Champion with the Chicago Blackhawks.

Radim Vrbata: An All Star in 2015.

Willie Mitchell: A two time Stanley Cup winning Defenseman with the Los Angeles Kings.

This crop of players join Alex Tanguay, Andrei Markov, Brian Campbell, Chris Kunitz, Daniel Sedin, Dany Heatley, Eric Brewer, Francois Beauchemin, Henrik Sedin, Jarome Iginla, Jaromir Jagr, Joe Thornton, Marian Hossa, Mark Streit, Martin Havlat, Mike Ribeiro, Nicklas Backstrom, Patrick Marleau, Patrick Elias, Pavel Datsyuk, Roberto Luongo Ryan Miller, Shane Doan, Shawn Horcoff, Simon Gagne, Stephane Robidas and Zdeno Chara.

You know what we want you to do!

When you have an opportunity, cast your votes, offer a comment and as always we thank you for your support!
There is a new must-see site at the Hockey Hall of Fame.

Today, a permanent statue at the entrance of the Hall of the late Gordie Howe, now welcomes everyone who enters the hallowed institution in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

The legend amassed 1,850 Points in the NHL and was the first player to play 1,500 Games in the NHL.  Howe was a multi-time Hart Trophy winner and actually played long after he was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame.

There are still many hockey pundits who view Gordie Howe as the best player to all time.

If you didn’t have a reason to visit the Hockey Hall of Fame, you do now!

Just watch out for the elbows!
We are always refining here at Notinhalloffame.com.

Recently, we added some new entries to our 2018 Hockey Futures Section.  We have done the same to our 2019 Section

We have added the following former players to this section:

Barret Jackman:  The Calder Trophy winner in the 2000-01 Season.

Brad Stuart: A defenseman who helped Detroit win the 2008 Stanley Cup.

David Legwand: A center that played over 1,100 Games in the NHL.

Pascal DuPuis: A former Left Winger who helped the Pittsburgh Penguins win the 2009 Stanley Cup. 

These players are added to the existing ones of Brad Richards, Lubomir Visnovsky, Scott Gomez and Vincent LeCavalier.

We will be updating the Hockey TBD section shortly.

As always, we thank you for your support!
We here at Notinhalloffame.com have been doing preliminary work for a future expansion of our Hockey section.  As such, we decided to bolster our futures section, which has led us to add a few players to our 2018 Hockey Futures Section

The 2018 Hockey Futures include Martin Brodeur and Martin St. Louis, two people who will likely get in immediately but we decided to add a few players who while are not likely to receive serious consideration, were good players who we wish to respect with their addition here. 

The new entries are:

Brenden Morrow: A former Stanley Cup Champion with the Detroit Red Wings who also won a World Cup and Olympic Gold Medal with Canada.

Chris Phillips: A defenseman who spent his entire career with the Ottawa Senators.

Michael Ryder: A member of the 2011 Boston Bruin Stanley Cup Championship Team.

Robyn Regher: A Stanley Cup winner with the Los Angeles Kings in 2014 and former Olympian on the Canadian Team.

Scott Hannan:  A stay-at-home Defenceman known mostly for his run with the San Jose Sharks

Along with Brodeur and St. Louis, this group joins Daniel Briere, Evgeni Nabokov, Ilya Bryzgalov, Kimmo Timonen, Olli Jokinen and Sergei Gonchar.

You know what we want you to do! 

Take a look and cast your vote and offer your opinion!

As always, we here at Notinhalloffame.com thank you for your support.
We don’t rank the players not in it, but we here at Notinhalloffame.com always have serious respect for the International Ice Hockey Federation Hall of Fame.  Today they have announced that Joe Sakic, Saku Koivu, Teemu Selanne, Uwe Krupp, Angela Ruggiero and Dieter Kalt will be the Class of 2017.

Representing Canada is Joe Sakic, who entered the Hockey Hall of Fame in 2012.  The native of Burnaby, British Columbia is a two time Stanley Cup Champion and a former Hart Trophy winner as a professional but he also has a decorated career representing his nation.   Sakic won a Gold Medal on four different stages; the World Juniors (1988), The World Championship (1994), The Olympics (2002) and the World Cup (2004).  He has 41 Points in 48 Games representing Canada.

Future Hockey Hall of Famer from Finland, Teemu Selanne has played in six Olympic Games for his country and is the all-time leading scorer with 43 Points.  He has four medals from the Olympics (1 Silver and 3 Bronze) and two World Championship Medals (1 Silver and 1 Bronze).  He has represented Finland in 96 Games and scored 102 Points.

Selanne will not be the only Finnish representative, as Saku Koivu was also chosen.  Koivu won four Olympic Medals (1 Silver and 3 Bronze) and four medals in the World Championships, including a Gold in 1995.  He has 64 Points in 89 Games representing Finland.

Uwe Krupp from Germany is his nation’s lone representative.  Krupp played for West Germany in two World Junior Championships and two World Championships.  In 1998, he played for Germany in the Olympics.

Angela Ruggiero of the United States is this year’s female representative.  Ruggiero played in four Olympics winning 1 Gold, 2 Silver and a Bronze.  The Defenseman was also a part of four World Championships.

Dieter Kalt played for Austria in 14 World Championships and three Olympic Games.  He currently serves as the President of the Austrian Ice Hockey Federation.

The induction ceremony will take place on May 21 in Cologne, Germany.

We here at Notinhalloffame.com would like to congratulate the latest IIHF Class.
While women have been entering the Hockey Hall of Fame, we haven’t yet elected to rank them.  Maybe we will one day (we don’t rank coaches or executives), but we did make an exception for Don Cherry.  If we were to ever make an exception for a female player, that person would be Hayley Wickenheiser, who quietly required today following a post on Twitter.

Wickenheiser would first suit up for the Canadian Women’s Team in 1994 at the tender age of 15.  That first appearance was the 1994 World Women’s Hockey Championship, where Team Canada would win the Championship.  This would begin a more than twenty year stint with the National Team.

She would become very familiar with the podium.  Six more times at the World Championship, she would become a Gold Medalist and would also win six Silver Medals.  While those are worthy accomplishments, the reality of Women’s Hockey is that the Holy Grail is the Winter Olympics.

In 2002 at the Salt Lake City Games, Hayley would lead Canada to an Olympic Gold Medal.  This was especially sweet, as the Canadians would lose to the United States in 1998 in Nagano, Japan, the first time that Women’s Hockey entered the Games they lost to the U.S.  Wickenheiser would lead the Canadians to three more Olympic Gold Medals in 2006, 2010 and 2014.

Over her 276 Game career representing Canada, Hayley Wickenheiser scored 379 Points, the most of any player representing Canada.  She is also the all-time leading scorer in Women’s Olympic Hockey.

She would also break barriers by becoming the first female to play in the Finnish Third League, the Finnish Second League and in the Swedish League.  We think it is safe to say that she will soon be enshrined in the Hockey Hall of Fame.

We here at Notinhalloffame.com would like to wish Hayley Wickenheiser the best on her post hockey endeavors and thank her for the on ice memories. 
It is a very sad day for Hockey and the Boston Bruins specifically.

Milt Schmidt passed away today at the age of 98. 

Joining the Boston Bruins in the 1936-37 season, Schmidt would soon center the “Kraut Line”, with his fellow junior teammates, Woody Dumart and Bobby Bauer.  This would become one of the most explosive lines in the game, and would lead the Bruins to Stanley Cup wins in 1939 and 1941.  Schmidt would lead the NHL in Assists and Points title in 1939-40 and would earn his first First Team NHL All Star Selection. 

Like many players, Schmidt would leave the NHL to serve his country in World War II.  He would return for the 1945-46 season and return to elite form.  Schmidt would earn two more First Team All NHL Selections and in the 1951-52 season would win the coveted Hart Trophy.

Milt Schmidt never played professionally for any other team and would retire with 575 Points.  Following his playing career, Milt Schmidt would begin coaching the Bruins, a role he would have for eleven seasons.  He would leave that capacity with a losing record, but did find more success as a General Manager orchestrating a super trade that brought Phil Esposito and Ken Hodge to the Bruins, who combined with Bobby Orr would bring the Stanley Cup back to Boston 1970 and 1972.

Schmidt would leave the Bruins to become the General Manager of the expansion Washington Capitals, though he would be fired soon after as the team was not very good.

Milt Schmidt would enter the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1961 and would have his number retired by the Boston Bruins in 1980.

We here at Notinhalloffame.com would like to offer our condolences to the friends and family of Milt Schmidt at this time.
Today is one of our favorite days here at Notinhalloffame.com as tonight is when the Hockey Hall of Fame officially inducts their latest class.

We thought it would be fun to take another look at the achievements of this year’s class.

The undisputed headliner this year is Eric Lindros who made it in to Hall in his seventh year of eligibility.  This felt like it would it be his year, as in previous years, there had always been elite players with longer careers than Lindros, as shown by the fact last year was the first time he was ranked #1 by us at Notinhalloffame.com. 

While concussions shortened his career considerably, this is still a man with a substantial resume of accomplishments.  In 760 Games, he would tabulate 865 Points, well over a Point per Game.  He would win the coveted Hart Trophy in the 1994-95 Season, and also won the Lester B. Pearson Award, the honor given to the Most Valuable Player as viewed by the NHL players.  His accolades also include a First Team All Star, A Second Team All Star and six trips to the All Star Game.

Lindros may not have won the Stanley Cup but did very well internationally, helping Canada win the Gold Medal at the 1990 and 1991 World Junior Championships.  As a Senior, he would win the Silver Medal at the 1992 Olympic Games and Gold at the 2002 Games in Salt Lake.

Eric Lindros may be the headliner, but for us, Sergei Makarov is the sentimental favorite.

Makarov has been ranked in our top six (last year at #3) since we first began our site in 2009.  Considered the best of the Red Army in the 1980’s, Makarov would help the Soviet Union win eight Gold Medals at the World Championships and two Gold Medals.  He would finally enter the NHL in the 1989-90 season where he won the Calder Trophy and overall had 384 Points in 424 Games.  As the Hockey Hall of Fame openly includes international accomplishments, the induction of Sergei Makarov is long overdue.  It took seventeen years for him to get in.

The third player to get in this year, and perhaps a bit of a surprise (even to the former player) is that of former Goalie, Rogie Vachon.  Vachon, who in the last Notinhalloffame.com ranking was #21 (though the second highest rated Goaltender) was a three time Stanley Cup Champion with the Montreal Canadians, and would win the Vezina Trophy with them in 1968.  Many remember Vachon best however during his time with the Los Angeles Kings where he would receive two Second Team All Star selections and two top three Hart Trophy finishes.  Arguably, he made Los Angeles a far better team than they had any right to be at the time.  This was Vachon’s thirty-first year of eligibility.

The fourth and final inductee is former Head Coach, Pat Quinn, who will be inducted posthumously.  As a Head Coach in the NHL, Quinn would have a record of 684-528-145 combined with Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Vancouver, Toronto and Edmonton.  Quinn was a two time Jack Adams Trophy winner as the NHL Coach of the Year and while he did not win a Stanley Cup, he would take Team Canada to an Olympic Gold Medal in 2002 and the World Cup in 2004.

Once again we here at Notinhalloffame.com would like to congratulate this years inductees and we look forward to seeing whom they will induct next year!

We here at Notinhalloffame.com thought it would be fun to take a look at the major awards in North American team sports and see how it translates into Hall of Fame potential.

Needless to say, different awards in different sports yield hall of fame potential.  In basketball, the team sport with the least amount of players on a roster, the dividend for greatness much higher.  In baseball, it is not as much as a great individual season does not have the same impact.
Many of our regular visitors are aware that in our Hockey section, we put up active players who are on the downside of their career.  The reason we do this is that for the Hockey Hall of Fame, retired players are eligible after only three years and the “HOF Clock” begins much sooner.

As such, we have added additional active players to our TBD (to be determined) list.

They are as follows:

Chris Kunitz, a former First Team NHL Star and three time Stanley Cup Champion.

Daniel Sedin, a former Art Ross Trophy Winner.

Dany Heatley, a former Calder Trophy winner and First Team All Star.

Francois Beauchemin, a former Stanley Cup Champion and Second Team All Star.

Henrik Sedin, a former Hart Trophy and Art Ross Trophy Winner.

Martin Havlat, a former two time All Star.

Ryan Miller, a former Vezina Trophy Winner.



They join existing players, Alex Tanguay, Andrei Markov, Brian Campbell, Dan Boyle, Eric Brewer, Jarome Iginla, Jaromir Jagr, Joe Thornton, Marian Hossa, Mark Streit, Mike Ribeiro, Niklas Backstrom, Patrik Elias, Patrick Marleau, Pavel Datsyuk, Roberto Luongo, Shane Doan, Shawn Horcoff, Simon Gagne, Stephane Robidas and Zdeno Chara.



You know what we want you to do!

Take a look at this crop of potential Hockey Hall of Fame inductees and tell us if they belong in Toronto.

As always, we here at Notinhalloffame.com thank you for your support!
We have just updated the 2018 Hockey Futures, which means one thing…it is time to upload the new 2019 Hockey Futures.

This will be a work in progress as currently there are only three players we have identified worthy of consideration for the Hockey Hall of Fame in 2019.

The following players will be eligible for the Hockey Hall of Fame in 2019:

Brad Richards, a two time Stanley Cup Champion and Conn Smythe Trophy winner.

Lubomir Visnovsky, a former Second Team All Star Defenceman.

Vincent LeCavalier, a one time Stanley Cup Champion, four time All Star and Maurice Richard Trophy winner.

All of these players are up and awaiting your votes and opinions.

Thank you as always from us at Notinhalloffame.com.
It is time for us to continue our expansion here at Notinhalloffame.com and as such we have to focus on a specific discipline. 

We are focusing currently of the world of Hockey and for us this means a solid look at the Hockey Hall of Fame futures.

With that in mind, we are pleased to announce additions to the 2018 Hockey Futures.

The following players will be eligible for the Hockey Hall of Fame in 2018:

Daniel Briere, a two time All Star.

Evgeni Nabakov, the 2001 Calder Trophy winner and two time All Star.

Ilya Bryzgalov, who was once a Second Team All Star.

Kimmo Timonen, a four time NHL All Star from Finland.

Martin Brodeur, a four time Vezina Trophy winner and three time Stanley Cup Champion.

Martin St. Louis, a former Stanley Cup Champion and former Hart Trophy winner.

Olli Jokinen, a one time All Star.

Sergei Gonchar, a four time All Star.

All of these players are up and awaiting your votes and opinions.

Thank you as always from us at Notinhalloffame.com.
Updating and expansion…

That is what we will be doing (sort of) with our hockey revisions.

As most of you know, the Hockey Hall of Fame recently inducted three players from our notinhalloffame.com hockey list, Eric Lindros, Sergei Makarov and Rogie Vachon.  Lindros was ranked #1 by us last year and Makarov had been in varying spots in our top six since our website’s inception seven years ago.

When this occurs, it is always time for us to re-evaluate our list and we do that by looking at the following:



1. Analyzing your votes and opinions and adjusting our rankings accordingly.

2. Inputting the new hockey players who will now be eligible for the Hockey Hall of Fame in 2017.



We added several new players and rather than present the new “100”, we have 107 for your consideration as we did not take out those who did not make that round number.  Rather, our intention is to expand it to 150.  Look for that this winter.

Until then, let’s present the new Notinhalloffame.com Hockey List.

Teemu Selanne is now eligible for the Hockey Hall of Fame and the “Finnish Flash” takes over the top spot.  Selanne retired as a Point per Game player and famously scored 76 Goals in his rookie season.  He is also a four time post season All Star. 

Don Cherry has been on our list since the beginning either in the first, second or third spot.  The outspoken host of Coach’s Corner on Hockey Night in Canada has been ranked 2nd on our list the last two years.  He remains in that slot this year.

Paul Kariya, Mark Recchi, Theoren Fleury and Alexander Mogilny all moved up one spot to #3 though #6 respectively.  They are followed by Bernie Nicholls who moved up to spots to #7.

Daniel Alfredsson debuts at #8.  The “love him or hate him” Swedish forward should garner interesting votes and comments from all of you!

Jeremy Roenick (#9) and Dave Andreychuk (#10) round out the top ten.

There are two new additions to the top 60.  Five time All Star Defenceman, Ed Jovanovski, and Goalie, Nikolai Khabibulin debut at #46 and #51 respectively.

Ray Whitney, a member of the 1,000 Point club misses out on the top 60 making his first appearance at #61.  Former Stanley Cup Winning Goalie, Tim Thomas appears at #81.

We received emails and comments that we may have missed some players in previous lists.  Upon further review, we have agreed and three new former players who have been previously eligible but never ranked by us are now part of the list.

Those players are former 60 Goal scorer, Dennis Maruk (#70), 4 time All Star, Bill Guerin (#71) and 2 time All Star blueliner, Mathieu Schneider (#88).

You know what we want you to do!

Take a look at the new rankings and cast your vote and offer your opinions!

Thank you again from all of us at Notinhalloffame.com.











We love days like this!

Today the Hockey Hall of Fame announced the 2016 Hockey Hall of Fame Class and without any clear cut nominees it opened up the chance for other entries to enter the hallowed halls of Toronto.  This is exactly what happened today.

Eric Lindros, the former NHL Hart Trophy winner will headline this year’ class.  Lindros was forced to retire early due to concussions but was still able to be a Point per Game player with 865 career Points.  Lindros was a seven time NHL All Star and was ranked #1 on our Notinhalloffame.com Hockey List.

Lindros will be joined by Sergei Makarov, the former star of the Soviet Red Army of the 1980’s.  Makarov would take the Soviet Union to eight World Hockey Championships and two Olympic Gold Medals.  He would later join the NHL and played 400 Games.  Makarov is ranked #3 on or Notinhalloffame.com list.

Goalie, Rogie Vachon also made the cut.  Vachon won the Stanley Cup three times with the Montreal Canadians and was a three time All Star.  Vachon was ranked #21 on our Notinhalloffame.com list.

These three players will be joined by the late coach, Pat Quinn, who also was a one time chair of the Hall of Fame.

We here at Notinhalloffame.com would like to congratulate this year’s class and assure you that in three weeks we will have the new list up.
We here at Notinhalloffame.com thought it would be fun to take a look at the major awards in North American team sports and see how it translates into Hall of Fame potential.

Needless to say, different awards in different sports yield hall of fame potential.  In basketball, the team sport with the least amount of players on a roster, the dividend for greatness much higher.  In baseball, it is not as much as a great individual season does not have the same impact.
The first two official inductees for the Hockey Hall of Fame Class of 2016 has been announced as New York Rangers’ play-by-play announcer, Sam Rosen, and Chicago Tribune columnist, Bob Verdi will be enshrined this coming November.

Rosen will be receiving the Foster Hewitt Award, which is awarded annually for outstanding contributions as a broadcaster.

Rosen has been the lead announcer for the Rangers since 1984 and famously called the 1994 Stanley Cup win.

Bob Verdi will be given the Elmer Ferguson Memorial Award for excellence in hockey journalism as per the Professional Hockey Writer’s Association.

We here at Notinhalloffame.com would like to congratulate these two inductees and are eagerly awaiting the full batch of players and contributors for this year’s class.

It was announced today that Hockey Hall of Fame inductee, Andy Bathgate, died today at the age of 83. 

Bathgate began his 17 year career with the New York Rangers, and in the 1950’s, the forward would become the team’s star and primary scoring threat.  Bathgate would be a Second Team All Star in the 1957/58 season and was the runner-up for the Hart Trophy, but the season after he would win the Hart and would set a personal best with 88 Points. 

His star would continue to shine with the Rangers and he would tie for the league lead in Points scored (though losing the Art Ross, as he did not have the most Goals) in the 1961/62 season and would earn his second and final First Team All Star appearance. 

Despite his individual stardom in New York, the team around him was not great and a trade to the Toronto Maple Leafs paid dividends for both Bathgate and the Leafs as he helped them win the Stanley Cup in 1964.  Bathgate would finish his career with the Detroit Red Wings and the expansion team, the Pittsburgh Penguins, and a brief stint in the WHA following a retirement. 

Bathgate retired as a Point per Game player and was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1979.

We here at Notinhalloffame.com would like to extend our condolences to the friends and family of Andy Bathgate at this time.

We here at Notinhalloffame.com thought it would be fun to take a look at the major awards in North American team sports and see how it translates into Hall of Fame potential.

Needless to say, different awards in different sports yield hall of fame potential.  In basketball, the team sport with the least amount of players on a roster, the dividend for greatness much higher.  In baseball, it is not as much as a great individual season does not have the same impact.
Number two is endorsing number one.



At least that is how it is for us at Notinhalloffame.com feel as last night, Don Cherry who is ranked #2 on our Notinhalloffame.com Hockey List emphatically spoke on how our #1 man on the Hockey List, Eric Lindros, should be in.



“When he was a junior player, he played for Oshawa, he won the Memorial Cup; he was player of the year in junior; at 18 years old he played in the Canada Cup and when they won, he was a force; 760 [NHL] games, 875 points; 53 playoff games, he got 57 points; Legion of Doom, [Mikael] Renberg and [John] LeClair, a highest-scoring line maybe of all time; most dominant player for five years; seven times an All-Star; NHL MVP, the Hart Trophy; top scorer in the NHL, the Art Ross; two [World Junior Championships] golds; captain of the Olympics; and when he retired, he gave $5 million to the hospital, And he isn’t in the Hall of Fame!”



Mr. Cherry we agree, but guess what?  So should you!



For our purposes, this is actually big news.

To enter the Hockey Hall of Fame you have to receive 14 votes out of 18 from the Hockey Hall of Fame Committee, so when three of them are replaced, it stands to reason that we here at Notinhalloffame.com are interested in knowing who it is.

Hall of Fame inductees, Jari Kurri and Ron Francis have been chosen to be a part of the selection committee.  Kurri is currently the General Manager of Jokerit, a Finnish club in the KHL and Francis is the Vice President and the General Manager of the Carolina Hurricanes. 

The third man selection is TSN hockey insider, Bob McKenzie, a well known fixture on NHL broadcasts for the Canadian sports flagship network. 

The trip replaces Lanny McDonald, another Hall of Famer, who has stepped down to take over as the Chairman of the Board for the Hall.  The other two replaced are American broadcaster, Mike Emrick and Hall of Fame inductee, Peter Stastny, both of which served their three year terms on the committee.

It is worth noting that TSN’s Michael Farber, Toronto Globe and Mail columnist, Eric Duhatschek and Hockey Hall of Fame inductee, Bill Torrey had their three year terms renewed and will continue on the committee.

The other 12 members of the Hockey Hall of Fame selection committee are:

John Davidson, a former goalie and the current President of Hockey Operations for the Columbus Blue Jackets.

Scotty Bowman, a 14 time Stanley Cup winner as a coach or executive.

David Branch, the Commissioner of the OHL.

Brian Burke, the President of Hockey Operations for the Calgary Flames.

Colin Campbell, the Executive Vice President of Hockey Operations for the National Hockey League.

Marc de Foy, a columnist for Le Journal de Montreal.

Mike Gartner, a Hockey Hall of Famer.

Anders Hedberg, a former NHL player and Swedish star and executive.

Igor Larionov, a Hockey Hall of Famer and former Soviet star.

David Polie, the President of Business Operations and General Mnager of the Nashville Predators.

Luc Robitaille, a Hockey Hall of Famer and the President of Business Operations with the Los Angeles Kings.



With no clear cut Hall of Fame inductees for next year, this could be the opportunity for players like Eric Lindros, Paul Kariya, Dave Andreychuk and Sergei Makarov to get the call after years of waiting on the ballot.

These eighteen men will decide the next class in June of next year, and clearly it will be the most interesting one yet!